I found Clement's message to the Corinthians both encouraging and convicting, as he writes out the premises for the life of the Christian individual and the church as a whole.
What really stuck out was his message on living life with an eternal rather than temporal mindset, writing: "Wherefore, then, my brethren, let us struggle with all earnestness, knowing that the contest is [in our case] close at hand, and that many undertake long voyages to strive for a corruptible reward; yet all are not crowned, but those only that have labored hard and striven gloriously. Let us therefore so strive, that we may all be crowned. Let us run the straight course, even the race that is incorruptible." He argues that all that is on earth will pass away. Our impact on earth should be for the kingdom of God. This was especially cool as I looked through all the ancient references to Clement. Numerous secular and Christian historians all note Clement for being a strong man of God. Every time he is mentioned it is in reference to his leadership of the Church of Rome or his godly conduct. Clement left a legacy of fervor and dedication to the gospel of Christ, and it showed. I wonder what people will say about me when I die, or even what they say now? I hope that my legacy is marked by a passion for God and his Word. He states toward the end of his letter: "while we have the opportunity, let us turn to God who called us." Since we don't know when Christ is returning, we ought to live every day with the focus on calling others to repentance. Clement clearly did this. Just like Jeremy said, it is not enough to claim Christ. We must unwaveringly stand for God in our actions and lives, that others will see the light of truth in us and turn to the one true God.
What interested me in Clement's sermon, was that he urges us over and over to not " be conformed to this world," as it says in Romans 12:2. Clement also often says that this world will eventually die out. Clement urges the people not to be tempted by the things of this world, because he knows that eventually everything on this earth will no longer matter. Here is a quote from Clement urging his brothers to get distracted by the world. "And consider, brethren, that the sojourning in the flesh in this world is but brief and transient, but the promise of Christ is great and wonderful, even the rest of the kingdom to come, and of life everlasting." Clement goes on to say that, instead of being distracted by the world, they should focus on Christ and his kingdom to come. This was very convicting for me, because as my schedule becomes more full, my time studying God's Word and thinking of heavenly things becomes less and less. Where in fact, it should be growing more and more each day. As life becomes more difficult, God and his goodness should become more important and not less. The more things you have the more you need God's help. I think that today people have it backwards. When times are easy they spend more time in personal studying of God's Word, when times are difficult we do it less than then before. Why? If things are going well we rely on God, because we have time. if things are hard, we rely on ourselves, because we don't have time to rely on God. This is backwards. When times are difficult that is when we most need God, not when times are easy. Instead of relying on our own strength, we need to rely on God's strength through the good times and the bad.
This is something that struck me about the code of chivalry too. While there was an emphasis on courage and strength, there were warnings and reminders that earthly treasures are temporary, and it is the servant's deeds that pass on to the next life.
What interested me in Clement's sermon, was that he urges us over and over to not " be conformed to this world," as it says in Romans 12:2. Clement also often says that this world will eventually die out. Clement urges the people not to be tempted by the things of this world, because he knows that eventually everything on this earth will no longer matter. Here is a quote from Clement urging his brothers to get distracted by the world. "And consider, brethren, that the sojourning in the flesh in this world is but brief and transient, but the promise of Christ is great and wonderful, even the rest of the kingdom to come, and of life everlasting." Clement goes on to say that, instead of being distracted by the world, they should focus on Christ and his kingdom to come. This was very convicting for me, because as my schedule becomes more full, my time studying God's Word and thinking of heavenly things becomes less and less. Where in fact, it should be growing more and more each day. As life becomes more difficult, God and his goodness should become more important and not less. The more things you have the more you need God's help. I think that today people have it backwards. When times are easy they spend more time in personal studying of God's Word, when times are difficult we do it less than then before. Why? If things are going well we rely on God, because we have time. if things are hard, we rely on ourselves, because we don't have time to rely on God. This is backwards. When times are difficult that is when we most need God, not when times are easy. Instead of relying on our own strength, we need to rely on God's strength through the good times and the bad.
“Wherefore, brethren, let us confess Him by our works… let us confess Him, and not by those that are of an opposite kind”
The above quote is one of the exhortations in Clements’s sermon that really stood out to me, and his overall focus on our duty to share the gospel and to strive to live as Christ commanded is much needed in the church today. He states that “Let us, then, not only call Him Lord, for that will not save us” and, as he does throughout the sermon, backs his assertions up with scripture, Mathew 7:21 in this case. Later on Clements says that: “We shall confess Him by whom we have been saved. But in what way shall we confess Him? By doing what He says, and not transgressing His commandments, and by honoring Him not with our lips only, but with all our heart and our entire mind. For He says in Isaiah, ‘This people honored me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." Mathew 7:17 states: “You will recognize them by their fruits”, and Clements’s urges us to take this principle to heart. The issue of ‘nominal Christianity’ is very common in the American churches, due in part to the non-existent persecution we are privileged to enjoy here, as well as the hedonistic attitude of materialism rampant in our culture, and there are many whose Christianity is merely linked to one day in Church, and is forgotten during the week. Clements puts emphasis on the fact that although we are in the world, we are not ‘of’ it, and he reminds us that the world is to be despised, and that the current and future worlds are at enmity with one another. This sermon reminds us of the basic principles of living the Christian life, which are often lost in the busyness of our lives, and we, living in this modern age of information, with secular worldviews being pounded into our heads everywhere we look, need to get back to the basics.
While it is good that we are reminded to follow Christ's commandments, I think Clement puts too much emphasis on works in salvation. There are a few points where he seems to say that if we do not follow what God says we are not saved. This sounds to me to be too close to a works-based gospel. The balance between works and faith is always a tricky thing. Paul says in Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" (NKJV) So we are to try to keep sin from us after we are saved. But Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (NKJV) So we are not saved by works, but by God's gift to us. So we are not saved by good works, but can someone be a Christian and at the same time be completely unconcerned with sin? James 2:26 says "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (NKJV) When James says that faith without works is dead, he does not mean that it is not a saving faith. There are two reasons a believer could have habitual sin in their life. The first is that they are not really a believer at all, and thus do not have the Holy Spirit to convict them, and the second is that they are quenching the Holy Spirit. So works do not save someone, nor are they necessary for salvation, but if someone with a relationship with Christ is living in habitual sin, they have a problem.
Here is my revised post. "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall be saved, but he that worketh righteousness." Matthew 7:21 St. Clemens immediately after this verse says that we should not only proclaim Jesus with our mouths but must reveal him with our works. If we say one thing but do another we are really hypocrites. This would have had major implications on the Church of the day. With Arianism and Ebonite factions people were confused enough about Jesus and other issues of the law. Since the canon of scripture was still being debated upon, people must have been confused about what laws they should obey, if any. Clemens was able to reveal to them that good works would come with their faith in Christianity and that by just professing with your mouth that Christ was Lord did not guarantee you were actually a true Christian. I cannot stress enough the importance of this verse to all people of every age, but it is most desperately needed now with the current generations. How many times do you see teens and adults praising God with their mouth when it bests suits them but never doing an iota of work God commands them to do. A speaker I once heard talked about the child and teenage Christian crisis. In essence he said most Christian children and teens would give up the faith during college. This sad truth reflects our nature to play the role we might be in at a particular point in time. These kids found that the easiest thing to do while part of their Christian family was to blend in and look like a Christian. When college hit the easiest thing to do was blend in with the general belief of their secular surroundings. In all, these people are those who go through life trying to fit in with the group of people they find themselves with at any given moment. Other people only rely on their belief in Christ to gain them salvation. Some do, in fact, genuinely believe; they either don’t really care about doing good works, or they are miss guided to think that works do not play a part in their salvation. I used to be someone that pounced on anyone who sounded too legalistic to me. If someone said Jesus wants us to care for the poor I would immediately say that person was being too legalistic. That’s not to say I did not care about caring for the poor but I genuinely thought works were optional. In a way they are, but true belief will bring forth good works as James says. I just want everyone to see that these people may be able to fool their Christian friends, family, and sometimes even themselves that they are Christians, but Jesus makes it pretty obvious that you won’t be fooling him.
I also wanted to say a true Christian who truly believes in Christ will produce good works. Not to say works are necessary but they are a litmus test if you will ( yay chemistry) that can determines your salvation. The only question that remains is, what is the balance between faith and works?
“Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or faith in Christ … it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary.” C.S.Lewis
"Good, then, is alms as repentance from sin; better is fasting than prayer, and alms than both; "charity covereth a multitude of sins," and prayer out of a good conscience delivereth from death. Blessed is every one that shall be found complete in these; for alms lightens the burden of sin."
This part of Clement's epistle is what really stood out to me. Not because I think it good, but because I do not agree with what is being said here. If I seem to have misinterpreted this passage, then please, by all means, correct me. Otherwise, here's what I have to say about this section of the epistle. What Clement seems to be saying here is that alms, which I translated as being works, cover or wipe away sins. This is not true. Romans 4:7-8 says, "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." Sin can only be covered up through forgiveness, and forgiveness only comes form the our Father in heaven, through Christ's death on the cross. The thing Clement seems to be saying here is that you should do good works so that they can outweigh the burden of sin, "...for alms lighten the burden of sin." Charity and good works will not cover up your sins. The only thing that can blot out our sins is the blood of Jesus Christ. Yet we also have to ask for forgiveness for our sins. Just because grace and forgiveness is freely available, does not mean that it is automatically given to us when we sin. We have to first humble ourselves to realize that we have actually sinned, and then as a result of this realization, we ask for God's forgiveness that He will freely give, all we have to do is ask. Despite this little blurb, I really enjoyed reading Clement's epistle, but, as Katie said, it does seem that Clement seems to lean a little close to the side of a works-based gospel. Anyway, overall, I thought there was a lot of good insight from Clement and I echo his final statement. "To the only God, invisible, Father of truth, who sent forth to us the Saviour and Author of immortality, through whom He also manifested to us the truth and the heavenly life, to Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
I think Clement is simply trying to say, "Prayers of atonement are the door to forgiveness." When one first prays the Sinner's Prayer, that is an alm. However, I think when Clement seems to say (I'm just interpreting, not judging) that the action of these alms covers sins, he is definitely off the mark.
In the midst of reading about Arian's heretical beliefs concerning Christ's Deity, it was motivating to read a powerful argument (in my opinion) that Clement gives against Christ's subordination to God the Father: "...if we think little of Him, we shall also hope to obtain little [from Him]." I also liked how Clement turns the tables on Arian followers by evoking a sense of guilt when he said, "And those of us who...[do not know] how much Jesus Christ submitted to suffer for our sakes...For, indeed, how great are the benefits which we owe to Him!" Clement indeed makes a compelling case for Christ's true Deity and how he is worthy of all praise.
Another interesting and important passage was the chapter on the duty of confessing Christ. Clement quotes a powerful verse from the Bible, "'Whosoever shall confess me before men, him will I confess before my Father.'" The reason this struck me was because I immediately began to think about my environment as a home schooled student, and the environment of the near future as a college student. As I wade through the violent waters of college searches and applications, I can't help but think what a different and difficult world it will be as a Christian entering into the highly secular world of college. As Christ said, "You will be hated by all because of My name..." (Matt 10:22) However, Clement proved to be an encouragement and a reminder. His words encouraged me to remain steadfast in Christ no matter what the circumstances are, for the only thing that this world can do to me is deliver to death so I may live again in eternity, "...it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved." (Matt 10:22) Furthermore, Clement reminded me that no matter my surroundings, and no matter if people may think I'm just another "whacky" Christian orator, I must always proclaim His Kingdom as he has commanded us. And to His Kingdom be the glory. Amen.
That's some powerful stuff Mark, especially your2nd paragraph. I think you've hit on something many of us are probably considering with college just around the corner. It's my prayer that all us may remain steadfast! I was also struck by that verse ('Whosoever shall confess me before men, him will I confess before my Father.'). It's very black and white and can be difficult to accept, but it's truth!
Wow, way to pick an amazing reading Mr. Parker!! As I sat here reading the sermon to the background of Graham's favorite song, I just lost it. But not out of sadness, out of joy and thankfulness that I have the amazing opportunity to go through this with a God who I know will never leave, and is always good. How cool is that? As bad as things seem sometimes, God is there, and he knows the reasoning behind bad things that happen. We as humans may not, but we will, eventually. Can you imagine going through this confusing and sucky life without God??
This is a great reading one of the most interesting things to me was the emphasis he put on repentance and then after repentance striving to be more like Jesus or to be crowned. My favorite chapter was the one where we must strive to be crowned. I found this chapter really interesting and convincing. It talks about how if we strive to be more like Jesus then the end reward will be great; it also talks about the people who strive for the corruptible rewards. My favorite quote from this chapter “for those who do not preserve the seal, their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be a spectacle to all flesh.” I really like the emphasis it put about how we should strive to be more like Jesus and grow closer to him then in the end we will get our reward.
I found it interesting how Clement discussed the reward that awaits those who are loyal to God. “There are some wicked deeds which we commit, and know it not, because of the double-mindedness and unbelief present in our breasts, and our understanding is darkened by vain desires. Let us, therefore, work righteousness, that we may be saved to the end. Blessed are they who obey these commandments, even if for a brief space they suffer in this world, and they will gather the imperishable fruit of the resurrection.” Clement explains that being a believer and preacher of the Word of God will inadvertently cause you pain to be experienced on this earth. The comfort that can be found is knowing that the pain and suffering is only temporary, and those who are loyal to God’s Commandments, will receive everlasting peace and joy in Heaven. “Let not the godly man, therefore, grieve; if for the present he suffer affliction, blessed is the time that awaits him there; rising up to life again with the fathers he will rejoice for ever without a grief.” He then goes on to make a comparison that fits accordingly to the phrase, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” “But let it not even trouble your mind, that we see the unrighteous possessed of riches and the servants of God straitened.” Rather than focussing on physical rewards that we or others receive, we should focus on the Lord and the gifts that are awaiting in heaven. Upon reading the Second Epistle of Clement, I have to say that it was rather refreshing to read a text that clearly discusses what, those who follow God and those who do not, shall recieve. It is also interesting to note the emphasis he places on repentance, and how that is the only way to righteousness. “While we are in this world, repent with our whole heart of the evil deeds we have done in the flesh, that we may be saved by the Lord, while we have yet an opportunity of repentance.” While it is known that once you are taken from this earth you will no longer be able to repent, it was interesting to see it described the way it is. Furthermore, he mentions that we should live out our days as if each one could be our last, therefore our heart will always be clear. I think that was something I felt the most moving as it is truly a good message not to be taken lightly.
Right off the bat, Clement confronts Arianism with, "You should think of Jesus Christ as of God." You can't get much clearer than that.
Overall, I think I can begin to see distinctly Catholic doctrines already emerging through Clement's second epistle. In the first few chapters, Clement specifies that it is Christ that has saved us, and there is nothing that we can accomplish to repay him. However, for the rest of the letter, he argues that we can demonstrate our thankfulness to Christ by behaving ourselves. This ‘good works teaching’ is very reminiscent of the book of James in the Bible. Both James and Clement emphasize the practice of righteousness on our path to salvation. Clement says, “Let us, then, not only call Him Lord, for that will not save us.” He says that while affirming Christ as Lord is not bad, whether or not we are really saved is evident in our works. Similarly, James says, “Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!” James too says that just faith is not enough to prove one’s Christianity. While Christ’s sacrifice has saved us, it is our attempt to be righteous that sells our authenticity before mankind. Also, Clement’s mention of alms resembles the Catholic prayers of confession.
I grew up in the Catholic Church (most of my extended family is Catholic), and its members focus much attention to works. My grandfather often speaks of how good deeds bring us closer to salvation, yet I don’t think this is entirely untrue. The Bible teaches that Christ’s work on the cross alone is sufficient for human salvation, BUT, as Clement says, if we truly believe that Christ has paid it all, we will naturally perform deeds that honor him. Thus, what I think my grandfather and many well intentioned Catholics mean is that FAITH SAVES, but WORKS PROVE IT. C.S. Lewis put it this way: “Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or faith in Christ … it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary.” Both are completely dependent on each other. Paul emphasizes faith saying: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8) Yet James says, “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[a] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
This is the balance that must be found. The Catholics are completely justified in saying that works have eternal value, but I think many take it too far, or become distracted by their deeds. On the other hand, there are many who believe that, because faith alone is sufficient, they are covered no matter what they do. Clement’s letter, while doctrinally sound, definitely leans toward the Catholic side and can easily be misread as a good-works-salvation message.
Wow, Max. This is quite a lengthy and impressive post! Your work speaks well of your faith (sorry, couldn't resist). But I really do think you've got some excellent insights here. And that C.S. Lewis quote is fascinating! I like how you've paralleled Clement with James. I've been meaning to start memorize James 1, but have yet to get around to it.
I really enjoyed reading this! Obviously the whole Bible is important but I think Clement highlighted a lot of key points, verses and chapters. After reading in Lost to the West about all those emperors who hated or just used Christianity for their benefit, it was encouraging to read St. Clement's sermon because not everyone back then didn't not trust in God. One of the things that goes along with what I was saying above about the emperors using Christianity is when St. Clement quotes the Bible saying, "Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall be saved, but he that worketh righteousness."
Reading 2 Clement felt much like reading the real epistles in the Bible (with the exception of all his New Testament quotations). His sentences are a bit long, but his voice, so to speak, is similar to that of the actual epistles. In chapter XIX Clement said something that stood out to me:
"For as a reward I ask of you repentance with the whole heart, while ye bestow upon yourselves salvation and life. For by so doing we shall set a mark for all the young who wish to be diligent in godliness and the goodness of God.
I found this interesting, because it's essentially the reverse of 1 Timothy 4:12 (which any kid who has done Awana is familiar with).
"Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity."
But at the same time, the verses don't conflict. They state opposite ideas, but both ideas work to mutually benefit the other. I think it paints quite a beautiful picture.
While there might be a little bit of the faith vs. works thing going on, I think Clement's 2nd epistle is very biblically grounded in many ways.
I reallly enjoyed this whole reading as a whole but a favorite part was after he talks about the gains we will recieve he back that up by syaing that it wont be without suffering and injustice. Many times i find myself thinking about how great the reward will be but then am surprised sometimes by the trials we are all put through to get there. We need to remember that even though there is unsurrpassable reward, it came at a heavy price and we will be continually be tested.
Obviously I can't understand greek because well...its all greek to me.. Okay sorry had to say that. Clement argues that everything on earth will pass away. So we should, as Christians, do all that it takes to give glory to God and to the kingdom of God
I found Clement's message to the Corinthians both encouraging and convicting, as he writes out the premises for the life of the Christian individual and the church as a whole.
ReplyDeleteWhat really stuck out was his message on living life with an eternal rather than temporal mindset, writing: "Wherefore, then, my brethren, let us struggle with all earnestness, knowing that the contest is [in our case] close at hand, and that many undertake long voyages to strive for a corruptible reward; yet all are not crowned, but those only that have labored hard and striven gloriously. Let us therefore so strive, that we may all be crowned. Let us run the straight course, even the race that is incorruptible." He argues that all that is on earth will pass away. Our impact on earth should be for the kingdom of God. This was especially cool as I looked through all the ancient references to Clement. Numerous secular and Christian historians all note Clement for being a strong man of God. Every time he is mentioned it is in reference to his leadership of the Church of Rome or his godly conduct. Clement left a legacy of fervor and dedication to the gospel of Christ, and it showed. I wonder what people will say about me when I die, or even what they say now? I hope that my legacy is marked by a passion for God and his Word. He states toward the end of his letter: "while we have the opportunity, let us turn to God who called us." Since we don't know when Christ is returning, we ought to live every day with the focus on calling others to repentance. Clement clearly did this.
Just like Jeremy said, it is not enough to claim Christ. We must unwaveringly stand for God in our actions and lives, that others will see the light of truth in us and turn to the one true God.
What interested me in Clement's sermon, was that he urges us over and over to not " be conformed to this world," as it says in Romans 12:2. Clement also often says that this world will eventually die out. Clement urges the people not to be tempted by the things of this world, because he knows that eventually everything on this earth will no longer matter. Here is a quote from Clement urging his brothers to get distracted by the world. "And consider, brethren, that the sojourning in the flesh in this world is but brief and transient, but the promise of Christ is great and wonderful, even the rest of the kingdom to come, and of life everlasting." Clement goes on to say that, instead of being distracted by the world, they should focus on Christ and his kingdom to come. This was very convicting for me, because as my schedule becomes more full, my time studying God's Word and thinking of heavenly things becomes less and less. Where in fact, it should be growing more and more each day. As life becomes more difficult, God and his goodness should become more important and not less. The more things you have the more you need God's help. I think that today people have it backwards. When times are easy they spend more time in personal studying of God's Word, when times are difficult we do it less than then before. Why? If things are going well we rely on God, because we have time. if things are hard, we rely on ourselves, because we don't have time to rely on God. This is backwards. When times are difficult that is when we most need God, not when times are easy. Instead of relying on our own strength, we need to rely on God's strength through the good times and the bad.
ReplyDeleteThis is something that struck me about the code of chivalry too. While there was an emphasis on courage and strength, there were warnings and reminders that earthly treasures are temporary, and it is the servant's deeds that pass on to the next life.
DeleteWhat interested me in Clement's sermon, was that he urges us over and over to not " be conformed to this world," as it says in Romans 12:2. Clement also often says that this world will eventually die out. Clement urges the people not to be tempted by the things of this world, because he knows that eventually everything on this earth will no longer matter. Here is a quote from Clement urging his brothers to get distracted by the world. "And consider, brethren, that the sojourning in the flesh in this world is but brief and transient, but the promise of Christ is great and wonderful, even the rest of the kingdom to come, and of life everlasting." Clement goes on to say that, instead of being distracted by the world, they should focus on Christ and his kingdom to come. This was very convicting for me, because as my schedule becomes more full, my time studying God's Word and thinking of heavenly things becomes less and less. Where in fact, it should be growing more and more each day. As life becomes more difficult, God and his goodness should become more important and not less. The more things you have the more you need God's help. I think that today people have it backwards. When times are easy they spend more time in personal studying of God's Word, when times are difficult we do it less than then before. Why? If things are going well we rely on God, because we have time. if things are hard, we rely on ourselves, because we don't have time to rely on God. This is backwards. When times are difficult that is when we most need God, not when times are easy. Instead of relying on our own strength, we need to rely on God's strength through the good times and the bad.
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The above quote is one of the exhortations in Clements’s sermon that really stood out to me, and his overall focus on our duty to share the gospel and to strive to live as Christ commanded is much needed in the church today. He states that “Let us, then, not only call Him Lord, for that will not save us” and, as he does throughout the sermon, backs his assertions up with scripture, Mathew 7:21 in this case. Later on Clements says that: “We shall confess Him by whom we have been saved. But in what way shall we confess Him? By doing what He says, and not transgressing His commandments, and by honoring Him not with our lips only, but with all our heart and our entire mind. For He says in Isaiah, ‘This people honored me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." Mathew 7:17 states: “You will recognize them by their fruits”, and Clements’s urges us to take this principle to heart. The issue of ‘nominal Christianity’ is very common in the American churches, due in part to the non-existent persecution we are privileged to enjoy here, as well as the hedonistic attitude of materialism rampant in our culture, and there are many whose Christianity is merely linked to one day in Church, and is forgotten during the week. Clements puts emphasis on the fact that although we are in the world, we are not ‘of’ it, and he reminds us that the world is to be despised, and that the current and future worlds are at enmity with one another. This sermon reminds us of the basic principles of living the Christian life, which are often lost in the busyness of our lives, and we, living in this modern age of information, with secular worldviews being pounded into our heads everywhere we look, need to get back to the basics.
While it is good that we are reminded to follow Christ's commandments, I think Clement puts too much emphasis on works in salvation. There are a few points where he seems to say that if we do not follow what God says we are not saved. This sounds to me to be too close to a works-based gospel. The balance between works and faith is always a tricky thing. Paul says in Romans 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" (NKJV) So we are to try to keep sin from us after we are saved. But Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (NKJV) So we are not saved by works, but by God's gift to us. So we are not saved by good works, but can someone be a Christian and at the same time be completely unconcerned with sin? James 2:26 says "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (NKJV) When James says that faith without works is dead, he does not mean that it is not a saving faith. There are two reasons a believer could have habitual sin in their life. The first is that they are not really a believer at all, and thus do not have the Holy Spirit to convict them, and the second is that they are quenching the Holy Spirit. So works do not save someone, nor are they necessary for salvation, but if someone with a relationship with Christ is living in habitual sin, they have a problem.
ReplyDeleteI agree. While I think Clement's intentions are good, it is easy (indeed, very easy) to interpret his message as an 'earn your salvation' teaching.
DeleteHere is my revised post.
ReplyDelete"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall be saved, but he that worketh righteousness." Matthew 7:21
St. Clemens immediately after this verse says that we should not only proclaim Jesus with our mouths but must reveal him with our works. If we say one thing but do another we are really hypocrites. This would have had major implications on the Church of the day. With Arianism and Ebonite factions people were confused enough about Jesus and other issues of the law. Since the canon of scripture was still being debated upon, people must have been confused about what laws they should obey, if any. Clemens was able to reveal to them that good works would come with their faith in Christianity and that by just professing with your mouth that Christ was Lord did not guarantee you were actually a true Christian.
I cannot stress enough the importance of this verse to all people of every age, but it is most desperately needed now with the current generations. How many times do you see teens and adults praising God with their mouth when it bests suits them but never doing an iota of work God commands them to do. A speaker I once heard talked about the child and teenage Christian crisis. In essence he said most Christian children and teens would give up the faith during college. This sad truth reflects our nature to play the role we might be in at a particular point in time. These kids found that the easiest thing to do while part of their Christian family was to blend in and look like a Christian. When college hit the easiest thing to do was blend in with the general belief of their secular surroundings. In all, these people are those who go through life trying to fit in with the group of people they find themselves with at any given moment.
Other people only rely on their belief in Christ to gain them salvation. Some do, in fact, genuinely believe; they either don’t really care about doing good works, or they are miss guided to think that works do not play a part in their salvation. I used to be someone that pounced on anyone who sounded too legalistic to me. If someone said Jesus wants us to care for the poor I would immediately say that person was being too legalistic. That’s not to say I did not care about caring for the poor but I genuinely thought works were optional. In a way they are, but true belief will bring forth good works as James says.
I just want everyone to see that these people may be able to fool their Christian friends, family, and sometimes even themselves that they are Christians, but Jesus makes it pretty obvious that you won’t be fooling him.
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ReplyDeleteI also wanted to say a true Christian who truly believes in Christ will produce good works. Not to say works are necessary but they are a litmus test if you will ( yay chemistry) that can determines your salvation. The only question that remains is, what is the balance between faith and works?
ReplyDelete“Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or faith in Christ … it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary.” C.S.Lewis
Delete"Good, then, is alms as repentance from sin; better is fasting than prayer, and alms than both; "charity covereth a multitude of sins," and prayer out of a good conscience delivereth from death. Blessed is every one that shall be found complete in these; for alms lightens the burden of sin."
ReplyDeleteThis part of Clement's epistle is what really stood out to me. Not because I think it good, but because I do not agree with what is being said here. If I seem to have misinterpreted this passage, then please, by all means, correct me. Otherwise, here's what I have to say about this section of the epistle.
What Clement seems to be saying here is that alms, which I translated as being works, cover or wipe away sins. This is not true. Romans 4:7-8 says, "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." Sin can only be covered up through forgiveness, and forgiveness only comes form the our Father in heaven, through Christ's death on the cross. The thing Clement seems to be saying here is that you should do good works so that they can outweigh the burden of sin, "...for alms lighten the burden of sin." Charity and good works will not cover up your sins. The only thing that can blot out our sins is the blood of Jesus Christ. Yet we also have to ask for forgiveness for our sins. Just because grace and forgiveness is freely available, does not mean that it is automatically given to us when we sin. We have to first humble ourselves to realize that we have actually sinned, and then as a result of this realization, we ask for God's forgiveness that He will freely give, all we have to do is ask. Despite this little blurb, I really enjoyed reading Clement's epistle, but, as Katie said, it does seem that Clement seems to lean a little close to the side of a works-based gospel. Anyway, overall, I thought there was a lot of good insight from Clement and I echo his final statement. "To the only God, invisible, Father of truth, who sent forth to us the Saviour and Author of immortality, through whom He also manifested to us the truth and the heavenly life, to Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
I think Clement is simply trying to say, "Prayers of atonement are the door to forgiveness." When one first prays the Sinner's Prayer, that is an alm. However, I think when Clement seems to say (I'm just interpreting, not judging) that the action of these alms covers sins, he is definitely off the mark.
DeleteIn the midst of reading about Arian's heretical beliefs concerning Christ's Deity, it was motivating to read a powerful argument (in my opinion) that Clement gives against Christ's subordination to God the Father: "...if we think little of Him, we shall also hope to obtain little [from Him]." I also liked how Clement turns the tables on Arian followers by evoking a sense of guilt when he said, "And those of us who...[do not know] how much Jesus Christ submitted to suffer for our sakes...For, indeed, how great are the benefits which we owe to Him!" Clement indeed makes a compelling case for Christ's true Deity and how he is worthy of all praise.
ReplyDeleteAnother interesting and important passage was the chapter on the duty of confessing Christ. Clement quotes a powerful verse from the Bible, "'Whosoever shall confess me before men, him will I confess before my Father.'" The reason this struck me was because I immediately began to think about my environment as a home schooled student, and the environment of the near future as a college student. As I wade through the violent waters of college searches and applications, I can't help but think what a different and difficult world it will be as a Christian entering into the highly secular world of college. As Christ said, "You will be hated by all because of My name..." (Matt 10:22) However, Clement proved to be an encouragement and a reminder. His words encouraged me to remain steadfast in Christ no matter what the circumstances are, for the only thing that this world can do to me is deliver to death so I may live again in eternity, "...it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved." (Matt 10:22) Furthermore, Clement reminded me that no matter my surroundings, and no matter if people may think I'm just another "whacky" Christian orator, I must always proclaim His Kingdom as he has commanded us. And to His Kingdom be the glory. Amen.
That's some powerful stuff Mark, especially your2nd paragraph. I think you've hit on something many of us are probably considering with college just around the corner. It's my prayer that all us may remain steadfast! I was also struck by that verse ('Whosoever shall confess me before men, him will I confess before my Father.'). It's very black and white and can be difficult to accept, but it's truth!
DeleteAlso, your buddy icon is going to drive me insane by the end of the year (jokes). Thank you M.C. Esher...
DeleteWow, way to pick an amazing reading Mr. Parker!! As I sat here reading the sermon to the background of Graham's favorite song, I just lost it. But not out of sadness, out of joy and thankfulness that I have the amazing opportunity to go through this with a God who I know will never leave, and is always good. How cool is that? As bad as things seem sometimes, God is there, and he knows the reasoning behind bad things that happen. We as humans may not, but we will, eventually. Can you imagine going through this confusing and sucky life without God??
ReplyDeleteThis is a great reading one of the most interesting things to me was the emphasis he put on repentance and then after repentance striving to be more like Jesus or to be crowned. My favorite chapter was the one where we must strive to be crowned. I found this chapter really interesting and convincing. It talks about how if we strive to be more like Jesus then the end reward will be great; it also talks about the people who strive for the corruptible rewards. My favorite quote from this chapter “for those who do not preserve the seal, their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be a spectacle to all flesh.” I really like the emphasis it put about how we should strive to be more like Jesus and grow closer to him then in the end we will get our reward.
ReplyDeleteI found it interesting how Clement discussed the reward that awaits those who are loyal to God. “There are some wicked deeds which we commit, and know it not, because of the double-mindedness and unbelief present in our breasts, and our understanding is darkened by vain desires. Let us, therefore, work righteousness, that we may be saved to the end. Blessed are they who obey these commandments, even if for a brief space they suffer in this world, and they will gather the imperishable fruit of the resurrection.” Clement explains that being a believer and preacher of the Word of God will inadvertently cause you pain to be experienced on this earth. The comfort that can be found is knowing that the pain and suffering is only temporary, and those who are loyal to God’s Commandments, will receive everlasting peace and joy in Heaven. “Let not the godly man, therefore, grieve; if for the present he suffer affliction, blessed is the time that awaits him there; rising up to life again with the fathers he will rejoice for ever without a grief.” He then goes on to make a comparison that fits accordingly to the phrase, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” “But let it not even trouble your mind, that we see the unrighteous possessed of riches and the servants of God straitened.” Rather than focussing on physical rewards that we or others receive, we should focus on the Lord and the gifts that are awaiting in heaven. Upon reading the Second Epistle of Clement, I have to say that it was rather refreshing to read a text that clearly discusses what, those who follow God and those who do not, shall recieve. It is also interesting to note the emphasis he places on repentance, and how that is the only way to righteousness. “While we are in this world, repent with our whole heart of the evil deeds we have done in the flesh, that we may be saved by the Lord, while we have yet an opportunity of repentance.” While it is known that once you are taken from this earth you will no longer be able to repent, it was interesting to see it described the way it is. Furthermore, he mentions that we should live out our days as if each one could be our last, therefore our heart will always be clear. I think that was something I felt the most moving as it is truly a good message not to be taken lightly.
ReplyDeleteRight off the bat, Clement confronts Arianism with, "You should think of Jesus Christ as of God." You can't get much clearer than that.
ReplyDeleteOverall, I think I can begin to see distinctly Catholic doctrines already emerging through Clement's second epistle. In the first few chapters, Clement specifies that it is Christ that has saved us, and there is nothing that we can accomplish to repay him. However, for the rest of the letter, he argues that we can demonstrate our thankfulness to Christ by behaving ourselves. This ‘good works teaching’ is very reminiscent of the book of James in the Bible. Both James and Clement emphasize the practice of righteousness on our path to salvation.
Clement says, “Let us, then, not only call Him Lord, for that will not save us.” He says that while affirming Christ as Lord is not bad, whether or not we are really saved is evident in our works. Similarly, James says, “Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!” James too says that just faith is not enough to prove one’s Christianity. While Christ’s sacrifice has saved us, it is our attempt to be righteous that sells our authenticity before mankind. Also, Clement’s mention of alms resembles the Catholic prayers of confession.
I grew up in the Catholic Church (most of my extended family is Catholic), and its members focus much attention to works. My grandfather often speaks of how good deeds bring us closer to salvation, yet I don’t think this is entirely untrue. The Bible teaches that Christ’s work on the cross alone is sufficient for human salvation, BUT, as Clement says, if we truly believe that Christ has paid it all, we will naturally perform deeds that honor him. Thus, what I think my grandfather and many well intentioned Catholics mean is that FAITH SAVES, but WORKS PROVE IT. C.S. Lewis put it this way: “Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or faith in Christ … it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary.” Both are completely dependent on each other. Paul emphasizes faith saying: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:8) Yet James says, “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[a] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
This is the balance that must be found. The Catholics are completely justified in saying that works have eternal value, but I think many take it too far, or become distracted by their deeds. On the other hand, there are many who believe that, because faith alone is sufficient, they are covered no matter what they do. Clement’s letter, while doctrinally sound, definitely leans toward the Catholic side and can easily be misread as a good-works-salvation message.
Wow, Max. This is quite a lengthy and impressive post! Your work speaks well of your faith (sorry, couldn't resist). But I really do think you've got some excellent insights here. And that C.S. Lewis quote is fascinating! I like how you've paralleled Clement with James. I've been meaning to start memorize James 1, but have yet to get around to it.
DeleteI really enjoyed reading this! Obviously the whole Bible is important but I think Clement highlighted a lot of key points, verses and chapters. After reading in Lost to the West about all those emperors who hated or just used Christianity for their benefit, it was encouraging to read St. Clement's sermon because not everyone back then didn't not trust in God.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things that goes along with what I was saying above about the emperors using Christianity is when St. Clement quotes the Bible saying, "Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall be saved, but he that worketh righteousness."
Reading 2 Clement felt much like reading the real epistles in the Bible (with the exception of all his New Testament quotations). His sentences are a bit long, but his voice, so to speak, is similar to that of the actual epistles. In chapter XIX Clement said something that stood out to me:
ReplyDelete"For as a reward I ask of you repentance with the whole heart, while ye bestow upon yourselves salvation and life. For by so doing we shall set a mark for all the young who wish to be diligent in godliness and the goodness of God.
I found this interesting, because it's essentially the reverse of 1 Timothy 4:12 (which any kid who has done Awana is familiar with).
"Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity."
But at the same time, the verses don't conflict. They state opposite ideas, but both ideas work to mutually benefit the other. I think it paints quite a beautiful picture.
While there might be a little bit of the faith vs. works thing going on, I think Clement's 2nd epistle is very biblically grounded in many ways.
I reallly enjoyed this whole reading as a whole but a favorite part was after he talks about the gains we will recieve he back that up by syaing that it wont be without suffering and injustice. Many times i find myself thinking about how great the reward will be but then am surprised sometimes by the trials we are all put through to get there. We need to remember that even though there is unsurrpassable reward, it came at a heavy price and we will be continually be tested.
ReplyDeleteObviously I can't understand greek because well...its all greek to me.. Okay sorry had to say that. Clement argues that everything on earth will pass away. So we should, as Christians, do all that it takes to give glory to God and to the kingdom of God
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